I am confused, in a tutorial, columns and rows are being used interchangeably are they the same? In a construction of a table, columns and rows are different constructs. Pagebuilder should have the same – example:
Columns
Rows
Cells
What do you think?
Hi Wireb,
Could you link me to the tutorial you’re reading / watching?
Rows and columns are not synonymous. The structure goes as so (each one being a child of the previous one):
row
column
widget
Hi there Alex,
The convention of hierarchy in a table is:
You can not create a row nor cell unless there exist a column.
In the tutorial the “Column” and “”Row” are used interchangeably.
ref: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mL6iIV7JxLo
While building a new page, if you just select a widget and nothing else, a row is created which host the widget you selected. If you want to increase the capacity of that row, at right you select “edit row”. Here are my questions:
How many columns can be on a page?
How can you edit a column?
While in Edit row, you see at top, “Set row layout: ” “columns with a ratio of”
I maintain that the term of “columns” and “rows” are not being constantly used within the Siteorigin’s guides and within the IDE. The print and news industry uses the following terms when addressing content location:
If you were on the phone and both parties were looking at the same page, for example, you would ask the other party to check out the center column mid page to point out where the article is located. You could also use the term, “center row.” However the industry uses the term, “column” and not “row.” If this is true, than why are you only allowed to construct a one column page?
This, as stated earlier, is contradictory thus can be confusing. If Siteorigin should ever create the ability for a page builder content block to auto flow into the next block, (really a column) Siteorigin would then have to set in place the use of a column construct. The content in 1 column would then auto flow into the next, depending on client’s font size settings. The benefit would allow the page bottom to be trimmed evenly thus possessing a more esthetically attractive look.
Regards,
Ron
Hi Wireb,
That’s actually a really old tutorial that I wouldn’t recommend following as it’s for version 1 SiteOrigin Page Builder.
To clarify, the terminology changed. Previously nothing was referred to as a row, and column was used instead. This is why it may seem confusing as the concept of a row wasn’t really implemented at the time.
Please note that I’m not really able to answer the questions in relation to SiteOrigin Page Builder 1 anymore due to how old it is at this point.
How many columns can be on a page?
There’s no limit to how many columns can be on a page. There is, however, a limit on how many can appear in a single row. There’s a soft limit of 8, and a max of 10. The soft limit can be bypassed by manually inputting the column amount.
How can you edit a column?
Click the wrench icon to the top right of the row. This will open the row editing interface which will give you the ability to add the columns sizing and amount.
While in Edit row, you see at top, “Set row layout: ” “columns with a ratio of”
This is intentional. Columns are directly tied to rows.
I’ll forward your comments directly to Greg to see if he has anything he would like to add.
Hi Alex and thank you for your time in responding.
I will be awaiting Greg’s comment, with knowing the video is somewhat outdated. The fact is:
“While building a new page using PB, if you just select a widget and nothing else, a row is created which host the widget you selected. If you want to increase the capacity of that row, at right you select “edit row.” There is no option to edit column nor to create a new column.
Where is it available to add more columns? The simple answer is, there is none, instead you add more rows, which supports my point. There is a contradiction within the naming conventions of what the news industry standardizes upon and the terms used by the SiteOrigin team. Any reputable publishing manufacturer use of terms, differs from PageBuilder.
A column is the basic construct of a page. A column perhaps is the container for rows however, rows do not exist in the real world of publishing unless we are talking tables.
In the way PageBuilder’s IDE works, technically PageBuilder contains one column per page when in reality PageBuilder produces multi-columns named, rows. Here are some another examples of the use of columns within the industry:
Summary:
PageBuilder should remove all references to “rows” in its page construction and replace “rows” with “columns”. If SiteOrigin provides a widget to create tables, then use the terms: column, rows and cells.
In my summary, I would like to thank the Siteorigin Team is their great ongoing work and in their exceptional service. How can you separate the two? Product is service.
Kind regards,
Ron
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Hi Wireb,
Sorry for the delay.
By outdated, I actually meant that you should ignore the video completely as it’s no longer relevant (the interface and structure has completely changed since). That video is for SiteOrigin Page Builder 1. The current version being version 2. The difference between the two is astronomical. It’s left purely there for those, for whatever reason, still using SiteOrigin Page Builder 1.
This is 100% the terminology:
Rows < Rows are as the name implies. They are horizontal part of a row
Columns < Columns are as the name implies. They are the vertical part of a row and there can be multiple of them in a single row Columns are directly tied to rows to streamline the interface.
Widgets < Typically nothing more than content but sometimes can have further structure, like a layout builder for example.
Anything that contradicts the above is either outdated or being taken too literally (in the case of the column settings being inside of the row settings – they are connected but they are different things). I wouldn't recommend comparing this to print as we didn't factor that into the creation process (in other words, that's not relevant to the structure of SiteOrigin Page Builder).
Oh, and to clarify, open up the row and then the highlighted section is dedicated to columns:
Long story short; rows and columns are not synonymous. They are however tied together as you cannot have one without the other.
Hello again :
Siteorigin is using the metaphor of a table construct while presenting the tools to create a page. As I stated earlier, in the publishing business there are no rows there are only columns.
What I understand from your responses that Rows and Columns have the same function although they have different names. What is undeniably true, in PageBuilder, a page can have multiple columns or multiple rows but not both. If a page has 4 rows across, then it is a 4 column page. Similarly, if a page has 4 columns it has 4 rows.
Quote: “Rows < Rows are as the name implies. They are horizontal part of a row" You are describing table or a spreadsheet construct.
Quote: Q: “How can you edit a column?
A: Click the wrench icon to the top right of the row. This will open the row editing interface which will give you the ability to add the columns sizing and amount.”
The above demonstrates you are using both Rows and Columns synonymously. To edit or add a column you use the row icon. This is confusing.
On August 16, 2016 our company tested this on a focus group who participants had knowledge on publishing and they were confused over Siteorigin’s use rows and columns.
Although this issue has little to do with the quality of the product, I maintain that the use of these terms is fundamentally incorrect, not compliant with the industry and therefore should be modified.
Kind regards,
Ron
Hi Wireb,
What happens in publishing is irrelevant. We didn’t design or build SiteOrigin Page builder with any standard in mind. We purely went for structure and logic as It also wouldn’t make sense to design with a specific industry in mind as SiteOrigin Page Builder can be used by anyone regardless of industry.
Long story short: